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CJF Forum: State of Financial Journalism
Hosted by CBC News senior business reporter and co-host of The Lang And O'Leary Exchange Amanda Lang. Panellists include Elena Cherney, editor of The Globe and Mail's Report on Business, and former SVP of Corporate Communications at RBC, David Moorcroft.
- Hello everybody! Welcome to tonight's CJF Forum: State of financial journalism.
- Here is a little bit more about our panellists:
ELENA CHERNEY is editor of The Globe and Mail's Report on Business. Cherney started at the Globe in 2007 as an editor in the Life section. Before joining the Globe, Cherney spent seven years covering Canadian business news as a Toronto-based correspondent for the Wall Street Journal. She has also worked as a reporter for the Montreal Gazette and the National Post. She is a two-time winner of the Edward Goff Penny prize for young journalists. Born in Victoria, B.C., Cherney grew up in Montreal and was educated at Yale University, where she studied English and history.
DAVID MOORCROFT is an award-winning communicator who has worked in the fields of public relations and journalism for 35 years. In 1979, he joined the Royal Bank of Canada (RBC) where he eventually became Senior Vice-President of Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. He served as the firm’s chief spokesperson, and directed the public affairs strategy for three consecutive CEOs. After retiring from RBC in 2008, David started a consulting firm called Strategy2Communications, which helps companies create and translate organizational strategy to their various stakeholders.
And moderator:
AMANDA LANG is the senior business reporter for CBC News and co-host of CBC's business show The Lang And O'Leary Exchange. Previously, she was co-anchor of SqueezePlay, the Business News Network (BNN)'s nightly national talk show. Before returning to Canada and to BNN in 2002, Lang was an anchor and correspondent at CNN and its business network CNNfn in New York, where she reported from the New York Stock Exchange. She was the New York correspondent for the Financial Post in 1998 and 1999. During her years as a business reporter she has covered stock markets, the economy, financial instruments, the technology beat, Wall Street, Canadian and U.S. politics, and more. 
CJF chair Bob Lewis
- CJF chair Bob Lewis: Among the subject's covered tonight -- whether financial journalists are held captive of the organizations they're reporting on

The panellists (left to right): Elena Cherney, David Moorcroft, Amanda Lang
- Lang: journalism is to me, about being on the sidelines, it's about not being involved ... that's what journalists do: we just watch it, or we should or we're doing something wrong. Lang starts by asking Moorcroft: How do you think we're doing?
- Moorcroft: I look at the quality of financial journalism we have today and we've come a long way -- that doesn't mean we're perfect
- Today is the anniversary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers
- Cherney: I don't think we're captive, but I think sometimes we don't know where to look ... we're not always very good at finding the problem before it surfaces.
- Lang: The 24/7 news model, and specifically the need to fill a news hole that is entirely about business. Does that cause problems? Now we've got to tackle business all day long; does it lower the standards?
- Moorcroft thinks it does. He says, "What happens if there isn't enough to fill the void?" It's not the biggest problem, he adds, but there isn't as much business news in Canada as the U.K and U.S -- and it does result in manufacturing stories
- Cherney says it helps perpetuate the sports journalism side of financial journalism: are the markets up, are they down? She adds: that may not be the thing financial journalists are best at
- "I think it is hard to fill that void sometimes." Moorcroft on the 24-hour news cycle. #cjfforumby rhrussell via twitter 9/15/2011 11:15:33 PM
- Moorcroft: can't just blame one particular group - investors, journalists - no one saw it coming
- Lang: There certainly does seem to be an anti-business bias in this country, not with just journalists, but with people. Is it a healthy thing -- that distance? Or is it even there?
- Moorcroft: Yes, I would agree it's there. He adds that he can sense hostility from some journalists when he was in PR during the 80s and 90s -- a sense that business is out to screw somebody
- Moorcroft on Canada's anti-biz climate: I always felt from some journalists a deep-rooted suspicion about business. There were some with an axe to grind
- Lang: Some of this nation's best business commentators didn't go to school to become business journalists? Is that a good thing? What's the right approach?
- Cherney: I think we have both ... We have in our section people that have worked -- someone that's worked on Bay Street -- but we mostly have journalists that have learned by doing ... just the way you would become a health reporter or a political reporter
- M: Jschools are failing students. Business and math not a part of curriculum
- Moorcroft says the question is do you train students to be reporters, or do you take business analysts etc., and then train them to be reporters? One of the problems with getting specialized people -- lawyers, etc -- into journalism, he adds, is lowered freelance rates.
- "There does seem to be an anti-business bias in this country." -Lang #cjfforumby rhrussell via twitter 9/15/2011 11:20:47 PM
- Lang's advice for aspiring business journalists is to study business first, then try journalism. #cjfforumby rhrussell via twitter 9/15/2011 11:21:05 PM
- Cherney: hiring non-journalists with biz background also important. Curiosity is important
- Lang: How do you walk the line? You need to have access, and yet you don't want to go too far.
- Cherney: There are so many linkages in corporate Canada, that in itself becomes even more challenging. I think in the case of reporters, it's a very fine line. People have to make their own judgment, she adds, and establish their own comfort zones. Sometimes you have to push back.
- Moorcroft: critical for beat journalists to spend time getting to know people in industry. But don't fall in love with them
- Moorcroft: fine line between having access to someone, and falling in love with them. Big CEOs have personalities.
- "If you know too much about something, maybe the risk of becoming a captive is greater" -Cherney on specializing #cjfforumby rhrussell via twitter 9/15/2011 11:23:52 PM
- Cherney: Canada's biz leaders are reluctant to speak on the record
- Cherney: We would do a better job of getting the story across ... if companies were more cooperative in terms of providing context
- Moorcroft says that executives tell him all the time that they don't want to talk to journalists
because executives are afraid of being taken out of context. - Lang: Journalism is still interpretive to some degree. For specialists, (business journalists, arts journalists)
journalism isn't part of the job. It isn't what we're supposed to be doing and in some ways we've danced the line of opinion. - Cherney: We should be held to a standard of accuracy and fairness, but to not provide interpretation, I think, would be to fail
- Cherney: what we're selling is the ability to provide the best analysis. To not provide interpretation is to fail, especially as more info is available
- Cherney says she's always liked that with business journalism facts and numbers are always there -- and you can't get too far away from them. It then becomes how intelligent you are with your analysis.
- Moorcroft, on reporting on complex issues: I think there's a couple challenges: the bandwagon approach, where everyone follows same lead. Nortel was the media's darling, no one questioned it
- Cherney: journalists are not the only ones though. There's an entire industry ... that cause greater mistakes that cause investors to lose much more money. Reporters are not the only ones who are failing to see the issues.
- Moorcroft: my point was maybe they need to challenge the analysts point of view ... I realize it doesn't always start with journalists, but maybe they need to start questioning their sources
- Cherney: Journalists are distilling all this information out there -- and yeah, they're going to miss things -- but at least you can know what you're reading is not compromised





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