Shephard asks Fahmy about what it was like when his Australian colleague was released, almost a year prior to Fahmy. What was that like?
He was incredibly happy for him, Fahmy says. But there was a balance between quiet and bullhorn diplomacy. "Was the diplomacy so quiet that it was silent?" Shephard asks, to laughter. But that's actually a phrase that Amal Clooney said, as well.
Fahmy is now making recommendations to protect Canadian journalists, that includes leader-to-leader contact immediately after detention. This is incredibly important in that immediate time. Intervention from government and NGOs needs to happen before a case moves before a court.